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Author: | Serris [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:12 am ] |
Post subject: | [J/C] Speedrun Discussion |
Times : New Game, Normal mode, w/o Suspend Glitch : 00:49:58 by Serris New Game, Normal mode, w/ Suspend Glitch : 00:14:19 by Serris New Game+, Normal mode, w/o Suspend Glitch : 00:28:44 by Serris New Game+, Normal mode, w/ Suspend Glitch : 00:02:41 by Serris ---- Routes : New Game w/o Suspend Glitch : Get Change Cube Get Call Cube Get Wait Cube Visit Vincent Buy Castle Map 1 Buy Dart Get Lizard Tail Activate Entrance warp Enter City of Haze Get Summon Skeleton Get Skill Cube Kill Dullahan - Summon Skeleton Get Acrobat Cube Get Push Cube Get Gale Force Warp to portrait Exit City of Haze Get Raging Fire Partner jump glitch onto ledge above Raging Fire Activate warp below Nation of Fools portrait Activate warp right of the right big Great Stairway room Get Stone of Flight Enter Sandy Grave Get Steel Whip Partner jump glitch shortcut Activate center warp Kill Astarte - Dart backdash spam Get Strength Glove Warp to portrait from boss room warp (skip pushing block) Exit Sandy Grave Activate warp left of Sandy Grave portrait Warp to Nation of Fools portrait Get cursed by Lilith's flying heart attack Warp to Entrance Quest glitch 5 x 9 Blessed Rings Buy Potion x 9, Tonic x 9, Anti-Venom x 9, Uncurse Potion x 9, Powdered Milk x 9, Justaucorps, Silk Hat, Combat Boots, Darts until Master, Master Ring & stuff (sell back) until Holy Claymore, Magical Tickets, Paludamentum x 2, Holy Claymore Warp to Nation of Fools portrait Enter Nation of Fools Partner jump glitch onto ledge above portrait Get Critical Art Get Cog Kill Legion - Holy Claymore Use Magical Ticket Warp to warp right of the right big Great Stairway room Activate warp right of Stella's room Defeat Stella - Holy Claymore Activate warp right of Forest of Doom portrait Use Magical Ticket Buy Battle Axe, Viking Helmet, Dark Rift, spend spare money on Potions / High Potions Warp back to Forest of Doom portrait Enter Forest of Doom Kill Dagon - Holy Claymore, Dark Rift Get Frog Morph Use Magical Ticket Warp to warp left of Sandy Grave portrait Enter Sandy Grave Warp to center warp Get Sanctuary Use Magical Ticket Warp to warp right of Stella's room Defeat Death - Holy Claymore backdash canceling, Dart backdash spam from door ledge Purify Sisters - Sanctuary Enter Forgotten City Get Griffon Wing - Partner jump glitch Kill Mummy Man - Dart backdash spam Enter Dark Academy Get Mercury Boots Kill The Creature - Dart backdash spam, Dark Rift Enter Burnt Paradise Kill Medusa - Holy Claymore Enter 13th Street Battle Axe special over train Kill Werewolf - Dart backdash spam Enter Castle Enter Lost Gallery Kill Brauner - Holy Claymore backdash canceling Defeat Death - Holy Claymore Kill True Dracula - Holy Claymore (backdash canceling), Summon Skeleton on wings New Game+ w/o Suspend Glitch : Get Change Cube Get Call Cube Get Wait Cube Visit Vincent Save Enter City of Haze Get Skill Cube Kill Dullahan - Illusion Fist Get Acrobat Cube Get Push Cube Use Magical Ticket Partner jump glitch onto ledge above Raging Fire Activate warp below Nation of Fools portrait Activate warp right of the right big Great Stairway room Get Stone of Flight Activate warp left of Sandy Grave portrait Enter Sandy Grave Partner jump glitch shortcut Activate center warp Kill Astarte - Illusion Fist Get Strength Glove Use Magical Ticket Activate Entrance warp Warp to Nation of Fools portrait Enter Nation of Fools Partner jump glitch onto ledge above portrait Get Critical Art Get Cog Kill Legion - Explosion Use Magical Ticket Warp to warp right of the right big Great Stairway room Activate warp right of Stella's room Defeat Stella - Illusion Fist Activate warp right of Forest of Doom portrait Use Magical Ticket Visit Eric Warp back to Forest of Doom portrait Enter Forest of Doom Kill Dagon - Illusion Fist / Undead Killer Get Frog Morph Use Magical Ticket Warp to warp left of Sandy Grave portrait Enter Sandy Grave Warp to center warp Get Sanctuary Use Magical Ticket Warp to warp right of Stella's room Defeat Death - Illusion Fist Purify Sisters - Sorceress Crest x 2, Sanctuary Enter Forgotten City Get Griffon Wing - Speed Up & double jump Kill Mummy Man - Illusion Fist Enter Dark Academy Kill The Creature - Illusion Fist Enter 13th Street Axe / Alucard's Spear special over train Kill Werewolf - Illusion Fist Enter Burnt Paradise Kill Medusa - Illusion Fist Enter Castle Enter Lost Gallery Kill Brauner - Illusion Fist Defeat Death - Griffon Wing, Illusion Fist Kill True Dracula - Illusion Fist - Note: Wait for him to drop fire from his wings, then kill him in one go before he stops to avoid the lengthy wing crush move. New Game w/ Suspend Glitch : Get Change Cube Get Call Cube Get Tome of Arms 1 Get Short Sword Save before Behemoth chase SG to Axe Armor/Skeletons corridor Activate Entrance warp Get Summon Skeleton Get Whip Skill 1 Get Spear Kill Behemoth - Summon Skeleton, Spear SG past pushable block Activate warp left of Keremet Kill Keremet - push cauldron next to right ledge set; leave Charlotte w/ Tome of Arms 1 left of cauldron, position Jonathan w/ Short Sword on left edge of upper right ledge Get Stone of Flight SG to Throne Room Get Robe Decollete Get Speed Up Warp to Entrance Sell Robe Decollete Get Castle Map 1 Buy Darts until Master Get Lizard Tail Warp to Keremet Enter Sandy Grave SG in first save room SG in doorway before magic lamp switch Kill Astarte - Dart backdash spam Warp to portrait Exit Sandy Grave Warp to Keremet SG to Forest of Doom Touch Killer Doll Warp to Entrance Use High Tonic for Speed Up Quest glitch Blessed Rings until Holy Claymore Warp to Master's Keep Defeat Death - Holy Claymore Kill True Dracula - Holy Claymore, Summon Skeleton on wings New Game+ w/ Suspend Glitch : Get Change Cube Get Call Cube Save before Behemoth chase SG to Axe Armor/Skeletons corridor SG past Behemoth SG to Throne Room Defeat Death - Illusion Fist / Holy Claymore Kill True Dracula - Illusion Fist |
Author: | Persona [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:49 am ] |
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Wait, you mean you can't use Magical Ticket if Wind and Vincent have something to say to you? It works for me. As for arranging the glitch section, I'll think about it. There's still a lot of other stuff in the site I have to attend to first. Only thing that comes to mind for routes is: City of Haze Use jump glitch to skip Behe and Kere Open warp point for Nation of Fools Get double jump Sandy Grave Warp to Nation of Fools The rest You can also skip the train scene in 13th Street with an Axe special. |
Author: | Serris [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:59 am ] |
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If you're using the japanese version, that might be the reason. So you can use a MT as soon as you gain control and warp directly to Vincent's room? That's confusing. |
Author: | Persona [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:03 am ] |
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I'm kind of lost. The version I'm using that has leftover Wind and Vincent script (Vincent whining about being bitten, etc) is my NA version. I can MG and play normally. Dialogue pops up if I enter their room from the left side. |
Author: | Serris [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:10 am ] |
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So I started a NG+, went to their rooms, triggered the dialogue and tried to use a MT. Still didn't work. What exactly are the conditions for that? |
Author: | Persona [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:37 am ] |
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It sounds like you're using the MG in Vincent's room. Is that right? |
Author: | Serris [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:59 am ] |
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No, I tried it in Eric's and outside Eric's room. |
Author: | Serris [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:11 am ] |
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Get Change Cube Get Call Cube Get Wait Cube Activate Entrance warp Enter City of Haze w/o Lizard Tail Get Skill Cube Kill Dullahan Get Acrobat Cube Get Push Cube Warp to portrait Exit City of Haze Partner jump glitch onto ledge above Raging Fire Activate warp below Nation of Fools portrait Activate warp right of the right big Great Stairway room Get Stone of Flight Enter Sandy Grave Knee Strike glitch shortcut Kill Astarte Get Strength Glove Warp to portrait Exit Sandy Grave Activate warp left of Sandy Grave portrait Warp to Nation of Fools portrait Enter Nation of Fools Activate warp above portrait Get Critical Art Get Cog Kill Legion Warp to portrait Exit Nation of Fools Warp to warp right of the right big Great Stairway room Activate warp right of Stella's room Defeat Stella Activate warp right of Forest of Doom portrait Warp to Entrance Enter Eric's room and skip scene Exit Eric's room Enter Eric's room and skip scene Warp back to Forest of Doom portrait Enter Forest of Doom Kill Dagon Get Frog Morph Warp to portrait Exit Forest of Doom Warp to warp left of Sandy Grave portrait Enter Sandy Grave Warp to other warp Get Sanctuary Activate warp at bottom of map Warp to portrait Exit Sandy Grave Warp to warp right of Stella's room Defeat Death Purify Sisters Enter Forgotten City Get Griffon Wing Kill Mummy Man Enter Dark Academy Kill The Creature Enter 13th Street Axe/Alucard's Spear special past the train Kill Werewolf Enter Burnt Paradise Kill Medusa Enter Castle Enter studio portrait Kill Brauner Kill Dracula Aside from some glitches, this is for both NG and NG+. Detours for better weapons (Nebula etc.) have yet to be incorporated, of course. Thoughts? More or less detailed? Any mistakes? >_> |
Author: | Serris [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:30 am ] |
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Red dot = start Blue dot = end |
Author: | Necrosnake [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:03 am ] |
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well... if you want to be technical you could just record a vid and say it's a speedrun because no one has done one... but talking starts i do believe you have to have beaten at least one portrait. i could bew wrong though. for the best route are you going for 100%? if not(i assume you aren't) city of hazeand partner glitch up to the tower and haul ass through the succubus hall using a herc ring and speed up. make your way up to the tower and reach the portrait room you clear them one by one (beating one unlocks another) but on hard mode i think that it doesn't work that way. |
Author: | Serris [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:23 pm ] |
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Just finished a sloppy single-segment NG+ run using my route. No Magical Tickets were used. Times: 33:12 in front of Drac's boss door 34:57 after delivering the final blow on True Drac What time should I aim for? |
Author: | Persona [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:39 pm ] |
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Routes look about right. For time, I have no idea because I never bothered speedrunning PoR (unless there's a way to capture). As for your MG problem, I also have no idea (read your topic at GF). Through the entire game, isn't using the MG only useful twice? After Dullahan and getting the relics and after beating Stella. |
Author: | Satoryu [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:08 pm ] |
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those times are pretty good. i've been trying some stuff with NG. the route is pretty much the same as NG+, but what I'm really worried about is actual strats for the bosses. here's what I got: Entrance -- get Tome of Arms 1 + Short Sword, get helmet, activate warp, 1st quest(get 2100$, buy map, Dart, Rock Riot) City of Haze -- Cream Pie + food, get Claymore, equip Leather Whip, Dullahan, moonwalkers, push relic, warp out Castle -- partner jump to Knee Smash and Nebula, activate NoF warp, activate stairway warp, get Partizan? and Double Jump Sandy Grave -- knee strike up, Astarte, push relic, warp out Castle -- stairway warp, equip Tempest, warp Nation of Fools -- partner jump up, activate warp, up to right, Spiked Boots?, Legion, up to warp, warp out Castle -- Stella, get taunt + curse, warp to Wind, overcome curse x? + spinning art + art of zephyr, battle axe + dark rift + ice needles + spirit light + hipos + hitonics, warp Forest of Doom -- duh Sandy Grave -- middle warp, down, Sanctuary, warp out Castle -- warp to Tower, get HPMax, Death, Master's Keep, Sisters, Richter Forgotten City -- Attica Helmet, Gryffon Wing, Meteor?, Mummy Man Dark Academy -- duh 13th st -- Samurai Leg, Assassins Cape, Werewolf Burnt Paradise -- right path, Tome of Arms 3, Medusa Castle -- restock?, Brauner, Dracula |
Author: | Persona [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:33 pm ] |
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Dullahan. Just have 1 character on each side. He'll do nothing and keep turning around making him a free kill. Other than that I don't know what skills/spells is useful against him. |
Author: | Necrosnake [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:05 pm ] |
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to save some time at 13'th street you can use a jumping critical attack on the train with a spear. you go over it. someone here told me how to do it. |
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