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 Post subject: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:57 pm 
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Since I've been told the death warp is likely not feasible in real-time, I'm getting closer to finding a good NG+ route, but I can't figure out how the following Giant Bat warp works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjFf7q2tXwM starting at 1:50

After the Catoblepas warp, I fly right into the next screen, only to start zipping away from the warp room along the chapel ceiling, then disappear past the right side of the room and get a black screen, so I guess that's not how it works, but I can't see what he's doing differently.


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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:48 am 
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i watched the TAS frame by frame. even then, i don't really understand what's being done. only pressing buttons for one frame makes the actions look like they don't match the input.

when the runner gets to the room in the Library above the Student Witch, he turns around, turns off bat and immediately turns i back on. that somehow gets him into the Chaotic Realm.

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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:28 am 
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If you're referring to the run I posted, I don't think it's a TAS. If it is, it's a bad one. Aside from obvious stuff like no backdash transportation and no drop manipulation (he wasted a lot of time getting the Bastard Sword in the Study, and the soul drops could have been simply luck - all of this could mean that the TASer is inexperienced, of course), it also took him a few tries to get into the Catoblepas room in part 1. Why would he leave such obvious mistakes uncorrected, only to perform an apparently frame-precision-requiring warping technique later on?

Oh well, since I haven't figured out how to do the Giant Bat zipping, I came up with another NG+ route I've been running a few times for fun, with various splits because I don't know what's faster.

Flying Armor -> Catoblepas warp to chapel warp room
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The TAS way of skipping Flying Armor by damage boosting onto the ledge with an axe from the Axe Armor (no idea how feasible that is for unassisted play)
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No warps at all until after getting Malphas - demon rush transportation could be faster
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Skipping Flying Armor and warping halfway through the Study by demon rush warping from the big bell room in Chapel

After that, you can either warp near the Graham-stabs-Yoko cutscene by demon rush warping from the same bell room again (only useful if you can use the Giant Bat glitch), or warp from Chapel to Corridor, go to Floating Gardens, demon rush from the first floating room to the underside of the throne room stairs, go to Death through the wrecking ball backdoor, get Skula, warp to Chapel, and demon rush warp from the bell room into Chaotic Realm near the first save room.

I've been using Flying Armor -> Catoblepas warp to chapel warp room -> Skula, mostly, copying the NG run until Malphas, but if this is mainly to skip Manticore, it's pointless in NG+, because killing him costs no time at all.


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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:07 am 
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sorry, i didn't specify. i was watching an older TAS. one that didn't use the glitch with the bat in the corner.

i'm not going to be of much help. maybe i should stop before i confuse you.

but concerning the damage boost to the Catoblepas, it doesn't look too difficult.

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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:25 pm 
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I should probably watch that old TAS, too, then. Could you upload it?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:25 pm 
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http://files.filefront.com/cvaospsAVI/; ... einfo.html

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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:26 am 
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Thanks. I asked zggzdydp about the Giant Bat warp, here's his answer:

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Hi, I know you are from CVE, I used to visit there, but now I can't (maybe my country banned the site, I don't know).

Ok, the Chaos warp glitch is very easy to do. After the Catoblepas warp, you only need as close as possible to the top of the room as a bat, then fly to right. There is a shorter way to warp to Chaos, but it needs a demon rushing soul, so I'm not sure that use it in unassisted run, I'll show it later. For the damage warp glitch, pirate_s' explanation is good enough, you need a little luck for it working, but I can do it in real time.

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Well, that's what I think I'm doing, so I don't know. I'll ask for more details.


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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:13 am 
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Hmm tell zggzdydp he can most likely use http://anonymouse.org/ to get into the site. He basically just needs to enter the site through a proxy. My friend in China used that site and it works for him although slow.

And sucks that China blocked the site, it's the land of the most hardcore CV players I've ever seen. :/

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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:47 pm 
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Hello everyone, remember me?

I think an unassisted new game+ route is this: start -> Flying Armor -> save -> Catoblepas warp to chapel (if you fail, suspend game and try again) -> double jump -> warp to Castle Corridor -> Floating Garden -> Gorgon warp to Arena -> Gaint Bat -> warp to Chapel -> save -> demon rush and bat zip to Choas (restart game if you fail).

Going to Catoblepas' room without Flying Armor is difficult. Due to non-assistance, it needs to save game before some warps, I think.


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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:44 pm 
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Release dates from GameFAQs:

05/06/03 US
05/08/03 JP
05/09/03 EU

Doesn't look like they had time to fix anything, so it's probably me.

I managed to get stuck in the wall in bat form, but I can't move, and if I let go of D-Left, I get pushed back outside the wall. As for your route, wouldn't it be faster to demon rush warp from the bell room to the Underground Reservoir secret room with the Pudding after getting Malphas?


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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:56 pm 
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flying armor should definitely be skipped.

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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
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Have you found a reliable way to pull off the damage boost?

I'm still wondering about a way to warp directly to Chaos without getting anything. While I really don't know anything about death warps, maybe we should try them out before disregarding them completely. Can't wait for a NG+ TAS.

As for the Giant Bat warp, I really need a more detailed explanation.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:23 pm 
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Serris wrote:
Have you found a reliable way to pull off the damage boost?


it looks to me to just be a matter of getting the proper timing. the same goes with jumping that one gap without Flying Armor.

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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
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I have no problems with other FA spots, but that Axe Armor never cooperates, and of course it has to be faster than getting FA. You can save in the first save room (after Grave Keeper) and suspend warp back to the doorway after getting FA.


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 Post subject: Re: [AoS] Warping Glitches
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:35 am 
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true, but is the trek to Flying Armor quicker than waiting for the Axe Armor to throw his axe?

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