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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
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A few NG notes:

- Are the Battle Boots worth the trip? I seem to get a lot of MTs from random chests that cost zero time to open, so maybe you could delay buying tickets until the boots are available.

- After Skeleton Cave, rescue Aeon first and get the Tower Ring. A must for traveling.

- You can MT after Marcel.

- There's a Super Potion on your way to Rapidus Fio and a pretty good food item in a ledge before Eligor which allows more Dominus Agony and skipping Vis Fio.

- Maneater likes to get stuck in a very abusable stomping loop pretty often, in case you didn't know. Just stay near him when the battle starts and keep hitting him, works 75% of the time for me.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:28 pm 
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Serris wrote:
- Are the Battle Boots worth the trip? I seem to get a lot of MTs from random chests that cost zero time to open, so maybe you could delay buying tickets until the boots are available.


i thought the stat boost would help. putting off buying tickets might be a good idea.

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- After Skeleton Cave, rescue Aeon first and get the Tower Ring. A must for traveling.


for some reason, i didn't think the Tower Ring helped me any.

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- You can MT after Marcel.


didn't know that.

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- There's a Super Potion on your way to Rapidus Fio and a pretty good food item in a ledge before Eligor which allows more Dominus Agony and skipping Vis Fio.


the Mint Sundae gives back a few hearts, though. not enough to make a difference if memory serves.

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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:28 pm 
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Satoryu wrote:
the Mint Sundae gives back a few hearts, though. not enough to make a difference if memory serves.


Oh, you're right. I've gone through the maps again looking for decent healing items, and aside from a Schnitzel in Mystery Manor that's a bit out of the way, I didn't find anything. Didn't look at drops yet, but it seems that an optimized run is going to require a lot more luck manipulation than I thought. :/

Of course, you can also MT after Rapidus Fio if you have a ticket to spare at that point.

Also, is there a link to this forum / the old PoS site anywhere on the wiki? I don't remember seeing one.

ALSO, finished a lazy run in 1:20:14 - far too many saves, a few dumb mistakes and no manipulation (i.e. no Blow/Wind Rings). No sub-1h for OoE, I guess. Should have given us Mercury Boots a bit earlier - placing them next to Rapidus Fio is kind of pointless. What happened to your Moonwalkers idea? Haven't tried backdash transportation yet.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:17 pm 
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lol, j/k!

Anyways, I think coffee gives you some hearts too.

edit: I finished the hall of fame on the wiki page, and I will look around to see if there are other parts that need completion. Any suggestions?


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:10 am 
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No AP Drops, no Battle Boots, no Blow/Wind Rings, still too many saves, still too many mistakes. I think Wygol heart refilling is only really needed before Barlowe and Death, you should be getting enough from Glyphs and candles along the way, and Unions aren't really that necessary before Dominus Agony, anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
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I'm going for the rings this time. Saved at 21:40 in Wygol before Misty Forest Road. Anything I should know about chest manipulation? Afaik, the contents are generated when you enter the area, but I don't know about normal/rare occurrences. Been trying for a while now and never found a rare chest. Do I have to hard reset?


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:27 pm 
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Pretty good run, but I really don't think we can shave off seven more minutes. I'm probably wrong. I hope. :P

I used the accessory glitch with Death/Judgment/Wind on Drac, but I don't think it made a difference. Can't think of any other uses, either - Empress/Blow/Wind is useless since you won't be using Strike/Slash at the same time. Next combination would be Death/Empress/Blow or Wind, and Empress would barely make a difference on Eligor/Death, if any. Strength Ring might be worth looking into. And I'm still not sure the AP Drops are worth it.

Also, dual weapon unions seem to be mostly stronger than the holy weapon union before Barlowe due to Blow/Wind, so I think we can skip Luminatio and get Vol Luminatio for Barlowe before Albus instead.

Had my best Rusalka battle so far, by the way. She just kept summoning pillars.

Route I used:

Ecclesia
- tutorial

Monastery
- activate bottom warp
- equip Secare from Bone Scimitar
- equip Magnes
- use Red Drops at F15
- Arthroverta — Secare+Secare
- warp to bottom
- exit

Wygol Village
- rescue Nikolai / get Torpor
- exit

Ruvas Forest
- equip Macir
- exit

Kalidus Channel
- get Magical Ticket
- rescue Jacob
- exit

Minera Prison Island
- Giant Skeleton — Macir+Macir
- get HPMax at J18
- activate middle warp
- get Dominus Hatred
- rescue Abram
- get Heart Max at F24
- equip Falcis
- get Glyph Sleeve + exit

Lighthouse
- Brachyura — Macir+Macir
- get Luminatio
- rescue Eugen
- get Serpent Scale + exit

Kalidus Channel
- get Heart Max at H17
- exit and reenter
- get money and MPMax at J9
- rescue Monica
- use Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- buy 9 Magical Tickets
- buy 9 Meat
- exit

Tymeo Mountains
- use Blue Drops at entrance
- equip Empress Ring
- rescue Laura
- exit

Misty Forest Road
- manipulate Blow Ring
- equip Vol Macir
- exit

Skeleton Cave
- Maneater — Vol Macir+Vol Macir
- get Ordinary Stone
- rescue George
- Magical Ticket

Minera Prison Island
- warp to middle
- equip Tower Ring
- rescue Aeon
- Magical Ticket

Tymeo Mountains
- rescue Marcel
- exit

Somnus Reef
- rescue Anna
- get Heart Max at L8
- manipulate and equip Wind Ring
- Rusalka — Falcis+Falcis
- rescue Serge
- exit

Giant's Dwelling
- rescue Daniela
- equip Vol Secare
- Goliath — Vol Secare+Vol Secare
- get Dominus Anger
- exit

Tristis Pass
- get Vol Grando
- get Heart Max at N22
- rescue Irina
- exit

Oblivion Ridge
- Gravedorcus — Vol Grando+Vol Grando, Vol Macir
- Magical Ticket

Ecclesia
- visit Barlowe
- exit room, Magical Ticket

Argila Swamp

Mystery Manor
- get Schnitzel
- Albus — Vol Secare+Vol Secare
- get Dominus Agony
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- refill hearts

Ecclesia
- Barlowe — Vol Secare+Luminatio+Dominus Agony
- Magical Ticket

Castle Entrance
- get Heart Max Up at U12
- use White Drops at R13

Library
- get HPMax at L12
- Wallman / Paries
- get Dextro Custos
- Magical Ticket

Castle Entrance
- get HPMax at S16

Underground Labyrinth
- equip Nitesco
- equip Mercury Boots
- activate warp before Blackmore
- Blackmore — Vol Secare+Nitesco+Dominus Agony
- get Super Potion
- equip Rapidus Fio
- exit
- reenter, warp to warp before Blackmore
- use White Drops at f31

Barracks
- get Heart Max Up at R28
- get HPMax at R36
- use Red Drops at U39
- activate warp
- equip Valkyrie Mail

Mechanical Tower
- get Vis Fio
- equip Valkyrie Mask
- get HPMax at L49
- get Death Ring
- warp to Barracks

Arms Depot
- equip Melio Falcis
- Eligor
Front — Melio Falcis+Melio Falcis+Vis Fio
— Underside — Vol Macir+Vol Macir+Dominus Agony
— Back — Melio Falcis+Melio Falcis+Vis Fio
— Head — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony
- get Arma Custos
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- refill hearts

Mechanical Tower
- Death — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony

Forsaken Cloister
- open Cerberus gate
- get Eisbein

Final Approach
- get Volaticus
- equip Judgement Ring
- get Heart Max Up at D36
- Dracula — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:21 am 
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Added Strength Ring to the route. Tin Man takes four Dominus Hatred hits. Enter the spotlight, duck under the Demon, use DH, go back to the entrance, hope for not overly aggressive Demons and fire two more DH while the Tin Man is climbing the stairs. He should be entering machine gun mode on the last step so you can duck under the bullets, then finish him off. Coming from the second Minera save point, after walking through all the Spear Guards, you should have 96 HP left. DH takes 30 and you'll probably get hit by the Demons a bit, but the two starter potions are more than enough. You'll also be level 6 for Brachyura as an added bonus.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:24 pm 
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No idea whether we can shave off two minutes by optimization alone. I'd rather find another time saver. I cut out Secare this time since I don't think it's worth the time it takes to save before the Bone Scimitar and absorb the Glyph. Might be different if you decided to not save at all before the drop manipulation, but I doubt it, and it's definitely not worth the effort. Also, Luminatio is obsolete now since Vol Secare union is much stronger. I'm also leaning towards skipping Vis Fio - for Eligor's forelegs, at least, with Death/Wind/Wind, it's faster to not use it since it wastes too much mana, which prevents you from destroying the legs during the sword ground stab.



Ecclesia
- tutorial

Monastery
- activate bottom warp
- equip Magnes
- use Red Drops at F15
- save
- Arthroverta — Confodere+Confodere
- warp to bottom
- exit

Wygol Village
- rescue Nikolai / get Torpor
- exit

Ruvas Forest
- equip Macir
- exit

Kalidus Channel
- get Magical Ticket
- rescue Jacob
- save
- exit

Minera Prison Island
- Giant Skeleton — Macir+Macir
- get HPMax at J18
- activate middle warp
- get Dominus Hatred
- rescue Abram
- save
- get Heart Max at F24
- equip Falcis
- equip Strength Ring
- get Glyph Sleeve + exit

Lighthouse
- Brachyura — Macir+Macir
- rescue Eugen
- get Serpent Scale + exit

Kalidus Channel
- get Heart Max at H17
- save
- exit and reenter
- get money and MPMax at J9
- rescue Monica
- use Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- buy 9 Magical Tickets
- buy 9 Meat
- save
- exit

Tymeo Mountains
- get Mushroom
- rescue Laura
- exit

Wygol Village
- save

Misty Forest Road
- manipulate Blow Ring
- equip Vol Macir
- exit

Wygol Village
- save

Skeleton Cave
- manipulate Blow Ring
- save
- Maneater — Vol Macir+Vol Macir
- get Ordinary Stone
- rescue George
- Magical Ticket

Minera Prison Island
- warp to middle
- equip Tower Ring
- rescue Aeon
- Magical Ticket

Tymeo Mountains
- rescue Marcel
- exit

Wygol Village
- save

Somnus Reef
- manipulate Wind Ring
- rescue Anna
- activate second warp
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- save

Somnus Reef
- manipulate Wind Ring
- get Heart Max at L8
- save
- Rusalka — Falcis+Falcis
- rescue Serge
- exit

Giant's Dwelling
- rescue Daniela
- equip Vol Secare
- save
- Goliath — Vol Secare+Vol Secare
- get Dominus Anger
- exit

Tristis Pass
- save
- get Vol Grando
- get Heart Max at N22
- rescue Irina
- save
- exit

Oblivion Ridge
- save
- Gravedorcus — Vol Macir+Vol Macir
- Magical Ticket

Ecclesia
- visit Barlowe
- exit room, Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- refill hearts
- save

Argila Swamp

Wygol Village
- save

Mystery Manor
- get Schnitzel
- save
- Albus — Vol Secare+Vol Secare
- get Dominus Agony
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- refill hearts
- save

Ecclesia
- Barlowe — Vol Secare+Vol Secare+Dominus Agony
- Magical Ticket

Castle Entrance
- save
- get Heart Max Up at U12
- use White Drops at R13

Library
- get HPMax at L12
- Wallman / Paries
- get Dextro Custos
- Magical Ticket

Castle Entrance
- save
- get HPMax at S16

Underground Labyrinth
- equip Nitesco
- equip Mercury Boots
- activate warp before Blackmore
- save
- Blackmore — Vol Secare+Nitesco+Dominus Agony
- get Super Potion
- equip Rapidus Fio
- exit

Wygol Village
- save

Castle Entrance
- warp to warp before Blackmore

Barracks
- save
- get Heart Max Up at R28
- get HPMax at R36
- use Red Drops at U39
- activate warp
- equip Valkyrie Mail

Mechanical Tower
- save
- equip Valkyrie Mask
- get HPMax at L49
- get Death Ring
- warp to Barracks
- save

Arms Depot
- equip Melio Falcis
- save
- Eligor
Front — Melio Falcis+Melio Falcis
Underside — Vol Macir+Vol Macir+Dominus Agony
Back — Melio Falcis+Melio Falcis
Head — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony
- get Arma Custos
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- refill hearts
- save

Mechanical Tower
- Death — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony

Forsaken Cloister
- open Cerberus gate
- get Eisbein
- save

Final Approach
- get Volaticus
- equip Judgement Ring
- get Heart Max Up at D36
- save
- Dracula — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:34 pm 
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Just found that you can glitch through Eligor's hind legs, skipping that lengthy underside phase. Just jump into the upper section and you should get it easily. Tower Ring and Rapidus Fio are helpful, but not necessary. Been trying to get a good NG+ run going with it, but nothing so far. My personal record without it is 30:56. For NG, sacrificing the leftover Meat for this should suffice.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:47 pm 
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New Game: 1:00:45

Only changes are the Eligor leg clip and a Heart Repair from Ruvas for Blackmore. I tried to cut down on the saves again, but the constant need for health refills and all the item and enemy manipulation makes it pretty pointless.

If you have no objections, I'll probably be using this route for my recorded run attempts, maybe with slight modifications if I find something new, but I can't really think of anything. Sub-1h should be possible, but I don't know if I can do it.


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Ecclesia
- tutorial

Monastery
- activate bottom warp
- equip Magnes
- Arthroverta — Confodere+Confodere
- warp to bottom
- exit

Wygol Village
- rescue Nikolai / get Torpor
- save


SEG 2


Ruvas Forest
- equip Macir
- manipulate Heart Repair (for Blackmore)
- exit

Kalidus Channel
- get Magical Ticket
- rescue Jacob
- save


SEG 3


Minera Prison Island
- Giant Skeleton — Macir+Macir
- get HPMax at J18
- activate middle warp
- get Dominus Hatred
- rescue Abram
- save


SEG 4


- get Heart Max at F24
- equip Falcis
- Tin Man — Dominus Hatred (2 Potions)
- equip Strength Ring
- exit

Lighthouse
- Brachyura — Macir+Macir
- rescue Eugen
- get Serpent Scale + exit

Kalidus Channel
- get Heart Max at H17
- save


SEG 5


- exit and reenter
- get money and MPMax at J9
- rescue Monica
- use Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- buy 9 Magical Tickets
- buy 9 Meat
- save


SEG 6


Tymeo Mountains
- get Mushroom
- rescue Laura
- exit

Wygol Village
- save


SEG 7


Misty Forest Road
- manipulate Blow Ring
- equip Vol Macir
- exit

Wygol Village
- save


SEG 8


Skeleton Cave
- manipulate Blow Ring
- save


SEG 9


- Maneater — Vol Macir+Vol Macir
- get Ordinary Stone
- rescue George
- Magical Ticket

Minera Prison Island
- warp to middle
- equip Tower Ring
- rescue Aeon
- Magical Ticket

Tymeo Mountains
- rescue Marcel
- exit

Wygol Village
- save


SEG 10


Somnus Reef
- manipulate Wind Ring
- rescue Anna
- activate second warp
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- save


SEG 11


Somnus Reef
- manipulate Wind Ring
- get Heart Max at L8
- save


SEG 12


- Rusalka — Falcis+Falcis
- rescue Serge
- exit

Wygol Village
- refill hearts
- save


SEG 13


Giant's Dwelling
- rescue Daniela
- equip Vol Secare
- save


SEG 14


- Goliath — Vol Secare+Vol Secare
- get Dominus Anger
- exit

Tristis Pass
- save


SEG 15


- get Vol Grando
- get Heart Max at N22
- rescue Irina
- save


SEG 16


- exit

Oblivion Ridge
- save


SEG 17


- Gravedorcus — Vol Macir+Vol Macir
- Magical Ticket

Ecclesia
- visit Barlowe
- exit room, Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- save


SEG 18


Argila Swamp

Wygol Village
- refill hearts
- save


SEG 19


Mystery Manor
- get Schnitzel
- save


SEG 20


- Albus — Vol Secare+Vol Secare
- get Dominus Agony
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- refill hearts
- save


SEG 21


Ecclesia
- Barlowe — Vol Secare+Vol Secare+Dominus Agony (3 Meat)
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- save


SEG 22

Castle Entrance
- get Heart Max Up at U12

Library
- get HPMax at L12
- Wallman / Paries
- get Dextro Custos
- Magical Ticket

Castle Entrance
- save


SEG 23


- get HPMax at S16

Underground Labyrinth
- equip Nitesco
- equip Mercury Boots
- activate warp before Blackmore
- save


SEG 24


- Blackmore — Vol Secare+Nitesco+Dominus Agony (4 Meat)
- get Super Potion
- equip Rapidus Fio
- exit

Wygol Village
- save


SEG 25


Castle Entrance
- warp to warp before Blackmore

Barracks
- save


SEG 26


- get Heart Max Up at R28
- get HPMax at R36
- activate warp
- equip Valkyrie Mail

Mechanical Tower
- save


SEG 27


- equip Valkyrie Mask
- get HPMax at L49
- get Death Ring
- warp to Barracks
- save


SEG 28


Arms Depot
- equip Melio Falcis
- save


SEG 29


- Eligor (2 Meat, Mushroom)
Front — Melio Falcis+Melio Falcis
Back — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony
Head — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony
- get Arma Custos
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- refill hearts
- save


SEG 30


Mechanical Tower
- Death — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony

Forsaken Cloister
- open Cerberus gate
- get Eisbein
- save


SEG 31


Final Approach (Schnitzel+Eisbein+SuperPotion, dash through everything)
- get Volaticus
- equip Judgement Ring
- get Heart Max Up at D36
- save


SEG 32


- Dracula — Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:52 pm 
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you're only using 8 MTs even though you buy 9. why buy the extra one?

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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
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I get and use 10 tickets, actually, the one from Kalidus + 9 from the shop. You must have overlooked something.

Also, is it possible for the game to spawn two rare chests during one visit to the area? Not that I'd go for that, just curious. :P


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