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 Post subject: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:39 pm 
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NG+:

My first test run clocked in at 34:38. There isn't much to say about the route, given how linear the game is. I get the SW warp in Minera for Aeon, and exit & reenter Kalidus through the western entrance before heading for the sunken ship area so I can use a ticket after Monica. Thanks to Rapidus Fio, you can ignore the western Tymeo exit and go straight for Marcel. My Castle route is:

Wallman
Activate eastern Library warp
Dextro Custos
Magical Ticket
Blackmore
Activate Barracks warp
Eligor
Arma Custos
Magical Ticket
Warp to Barracks
Death
Sinestro Custos
Magical Ticket
Warp to Library
Volaticus
Drac

Other than that, ticket usage is fairly obvious. With this route, I used exactly 9 tickets, which is nice. Boss tactics aren't needed since everything that isn't Drac (he takes two) dies in one hit, anyway. I used Melio Falcis + Nitesco / Vol Luminatio, but it doesn't really matter.


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No run yet, just general planning. Probably boils down to fire/ice weapon unions on bosses, rings like Blow / Strength / Wind along the way, and Nitesco + Death / Judgment takes care of the castle. Add Vis Fio / Arma Custos / Dominus Agony when you get them.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:43 pm 
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sounds good. what's the best equipment?

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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:35 pm 
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STR:
Queen of Hearts
Barbarian Belt (but it's only two points more than Minerva Mail, which has much more DEF, so I usually use MM)
Barbarian Shoes
Death Ring x2
Vis Fio / Dominus Agony

INT:
Stephanie
Robe Decollete
Any boots since none of them boost INT (just use Winged Boots)
Death Ring x2
Sapiens Fio / Dominus Agony

Traveling:
Winged Boots
Tower Ring
Hanged Man Ring
Rapidus Fio

I'm lvl 255, but it isn't really needed if you don't feel like farming Double Hammers for 7 hours. Max attributes are a must, though - at least Slash and Holy. Some GameFAQs links about farming:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessa ... c=46267997

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessa ... c=46357459

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessa ... c=46444464

If you don't want to farm all that gear, just farm some money and I'll give you everything you need.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:07 pm 
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33:19, single-segment

Also, an overview of useful NG items in no particular order (based on Darth Nemesis's maps from GameFAQs)

Monastery:
(Manipulate Heart Repairs)
Red Drops
Secare (Bone Scimitar)

Ruvas Forest:
Macir
(Ascia?)
(Manipulate Heart Repairs)

Kalidus Channel:
Heart Max Up H17
Scutum
Grando (Sea Demon)

Minera Prison Island:
Heart Max Up F24
Falcis
Strength Ring
Tower Ring

Lighthouse:
Luminatio

Tymeo Mountains:
Blue Drops
Empress Ring
Ignis (Fire Demon)

Misty Forest Road:
Vol Macir
Umbra (Black Fomor)
(Manipulate Blow Ring)

Skeleton Cave:
Heart Max Up B14? (reenter)
(Blow Ring alternative)
Black Drops

Somnus Reef:
Heart Max Up L8
(Manipulate Wind Ring)
Vol Ascia

Giant's Dwelling:
Black Drops
Vol Secare

Tristis Pass:
Vol Grando
Vol Hasta
Heart Max Up N22

Oblivion Ridge:
Hermit Ring?
Sapiens Fio?

Dracula's Castle:
White Drops x2
Red Drops
Heart Max Up D36
Heart Max Up R28
Heart Max Up U12
Mercury Boots
Rapidus Fio
Death Ring
Judgement Ring
Vis Fio
Melio Falcis
Melio Scutum
Valkyrie Mail
Valkyrie Mask
Valkyrie Greaves?


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:26 am 
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let me fill in the precastle portion for NG+, just incase.

Intro (equip stuff)
Monastery (activate warp, Magnes, Arthroverta, warp)
Wygol Village (Nikolai)
Ruvas Forest
Kalidus Channel (Jacob)
Minera Prison Island (Giant Skeleton, activate southern warp, Dominus Hatred, Abram)
Lighthouse (Brachyura, Eugen, Serpent Scale)
Kalidus (exit at bottom left, reenter, Monica, use Magical Ticket)
Tymeo Mountains (Laura, Marcel)
Misty Forest Road
Skeleton Cave (Maneater, Ordinary Rock, George, use Ticket)
Minera (warp to south, Aeon, use Ticket)
Somnus Reef (Anna, Rusalka, Serge)
Giant's Dwelling (Daniela, Goliath, Dominus Anger)
Tristis Pass (unfreeze waterfall, Irina)
Oblivion Ridge (Gravedorcus, use Ticket)
Ecclesia (talk to Barlowe, exit Barlowe's room, use ticket)
Argila Swamp
Mystery Manor (Albus, Dominus Agony, use ticket)
Ecclesia (Barlowe, use ticket)

i notice that i'm using one more Magical Ticket than you (10 vs. 9). it would of course be slower to buy an extra one, so i'd say to cut out the ticket after Death. the trip to the Tower warp point is very short.

i've had no need for the INT setup. i leave Queen of Hearts and Barbarian Belt on the entire game. i never touch Sapiens Fio either.

for boss strategies, it is Melio Falcis/Nitesco for the all of them, except for Gravedorcus. i'm at lvl130, and he's the only one besides Drac that isn't fallen in one hit with that combo. i instead use Melio Falcis and Vol Grando. i don't need to use Death Rings and the like to get OHKOs until Maneater.

lastly, what's the best way to fight Eligor without Redire? do you have to get on his back?

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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:31 pm 
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I don't even know if getting the eastern Library warp is worth it, maybe it's faster to walk to the Cerberus room after Death.

The gear setups are generally the best if you want STR or INT, not necessarily needed for speedrunning, but you do need the INT setup to farm Double Hammers effectively. Also, you can use Dual Judgment instead of Death, no need to risk a good run for something unnecessary.

I can't think of any particular way to avoid climbing Eligor, try long-range and/or full-screen attacks (Dark+Light Union).


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:42 pm 
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My NG test playthrough is up to the castle now, and equipment-wise, there are loads of options. I'm level 15 with 100 hearts (the Heart Ups along the way suffice), and I noticed that most weapon unions aren't that great. You can do just as much dps with dual weapon spam and skip refilling hearts that way. Of course, things change if you manipulate stuff (namely Heart Repairs from chests), but whether the time saved is worth the effort is debatable. I, for one, won't bother. I took my time testing stuff with little restarting and the clock is currently saying 1h 15m.

Boss tactics I used (possible alternatives):
Arthroverta: Secare
Giant Skeleton: Macir (Ascia)
Brachyura: Macir (Vol Fulgur, union)
Maneater: Secare (Falcis, Luminatio, union)
Rusalka: Secare (Falcis, Vol Fulgur, union)
Goliath: Vol Secare, Vol Ascia when between his legs, Scutum for debris
Gravedorcus: Vol Grando when moving around and to destroy those balls, Vol Macir when stationary
Albus: Vol Secare (maybe get Acerbatus, but whacking away while he's casting seems better)
Barlowe: Light/Dark union w/ Agony x2, Vol Ascia (Vol Secare)

I did notice I'm only getting rings for gear, but I haven't found anything useful armor-wise.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:59 pm 
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i've been toying around with new game for a little bit. i believe i can also reach the castle in around an hour. once i get Luminatio, i use the saber combo with it on bosses right away. in fact, i use up all my hearts on bosses immediately with unions. afterwards, it's just spamming the strongest weapon i have.

for movement, when there are no enemies around, i backdash. so i plan on picking up the Moonwalkers.

is it possible to damage boost up to the right path in Tymeo Mountains?

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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
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I seem to remember reading about that in the TASVideos thread. There's also a nice post about the game's anti-SBing measures.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:13 pm 
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i'm having a real hard time making the jump. either they hit me backwards, or i don't enough of a push.

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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:52 am 
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just finished a New Game run with a time of 1:28:20. it's by no means perfect; there's a ton of mistakes throughout. i didn't document my route, though, so i'll try again later and be sure to write everything down.

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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:07 pm 
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2/3 of the way through a better run. saved after Barlowe with a time of 52:17. keep in mind i saved at Wygol; a run should save at the first save point in the castle instead. i make frequent visits to Wygol to save and refill hearts. some could definitely be cut out. i also have at least a minute wasted to backtracking for the Blow Ring.

i'm going to try having the Death Ring for Eligor, then coming back for Death.

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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:05 am 
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alright, it's done. 1:16:02 is the final time. i'm surprised i shaved off that much. 1:14:xx is definitely possible. here's the route:

Ecclesia
- tutorial

Monastery
- activate bottom warp
- equip Secare from Bone Scimitar
- equip Magnes
- use Red Drops at F15
- get $500 at D15
- Arthroverta -- Secare+Secare
- warp to bottom
- exit

Wygol Village
- recover hearts
- rescue Nikolai / get Torpor
- exit

Ruvas Forest
- equip Macir
- exit

Kalidus Channel
- get Magical Ticket
- rescue Jacob
- exit

Minera Prison Island
- Giant Skeleton -- Macir+Macir
- get HPMax at J15
- activate middle warp
- get Dominus Hatred
- rescue Abram
- get Heart Max at F24
- equip Falcis
- get Glyph Sleeve + exit

Lighthouse
- Brachyura -- Macir+Macir
- get Luminatio
- rescue Eugen
- get Serpent Scale + exit

Kalidus Channel
- get Heart Max at H17
- exit and reenter
- get money and MPMax at J9
- rescue Monica
- use Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- buy 8 Magical Tickets
- exit

Tymeo Mountains
- use Blue Drops at entrance
- equip Empress Ring
- rescue Laura
- exit

Misty Forest Road
- manipulate Blow Ring
- equip Vol Macir
- exit

Skeleton Cave
- Maneater -- Vol Macir+Luminatio
- get Ordinary Stone
- rescue George
- Magical Ticket

Tymeo Mountains
- rescue Marcel
- exit

Minera Prison Island
- warp to middle
- rescue Aeon
- Magical Ticket

Somnus Reef
- rescue Anna
- get Heart Max at L8
- manipulate and equip Wind Ring
- Rusalka -- Falcis+Falcis
- rescue Serge
- exit

Giant's Dwelling
- rescue Daniela
- equip Vol Secare
- Goliath -- Vol Secare+Vol Secare
- get Dominus Anger
- exit

Tristis Pass
- get Vol Grando
- get Heart Max at N22
- rescue Irina
- exit

Wygol Village
- buy and equip Battle Boots

Oblivion Ridge
- Gravedorcus -- Vol Grando+Vol Grando, Vol Macir
- Magical Ticket

Ecclesia
- visit Barlowe
- exit room, Magical Ticket

Argila Swamp

Mystery Manor
- Albus -- Vol Secare+Vol Secare
- get Dominus Agony
- Magical Ticket

Ecclesia
- Barlowe -- Vol Secare+Luminatio+Dominus Agony
- Magical Ticket

Castle Entrance
- get Heart Max Up at U12
- use White Drops at R13

Library
- get HPMax at L12
- Wallman / Paries
- get Dextro Custos
- Magical Ticket

Castle Entrance
- get HPMax at S16

Underground Labyrinth
- equip Nitesco
- equip Mercury Boots
- activate warp before Blackmore
- Blackmore -- Vol Secare+Nitesco+Dominus Agony
- equip Rapidus Fio
- exit
- reenter, warp to warp before Blackmore
- use White Drops at f31

Barracks
- get Heart Max Up at R28
- get HPMax at R36
- use Red Drops at U39
- activate warp
- equip Valkyrie Mail

Mechanical Tower
- get Vis Fio
- equip Valkyrie Mask
- get HPMax at L49
- get Death Ring
- warp to Barracks

Arms Depot
- equip Melio Falcis
- Eligor --
-- Front -- Melio Falcis+Melio Falcis+Vis Fio
-- Underside -- Vol Macir+Vol Macir+Dominus Agony
-- Back -- Melio Falcis+Melio Falcis+Vis Fio
-- Head -- Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony
- get Arma Custos
- Magical Ticket

Wygol Village
- refill hearts

Mechanical Tower
- Death -- Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony

Forsaken Cloister
- open Cerberus gate

Final Approach
- get Volaticus
- get MPMax at G28
- equip Judgement Ring
- get Heart Max Up at D36
- Dracula -- Melio Falcis+Nitesco+Dominus Agony

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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:24 am 
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Nice. I played around with the Tymeo boost a bit and didn't even get anything close to making it. Either bad spawns or I don't know how to utilize them. Maybe the TAS guy can show you how to do it.


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 Post subject: Re: [Shanoa] Speedrun Discussion
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:07 pm 
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i've got a new time for Shanoa NG+. it's 31:46. i included one change in the route: instead of activating the Library warp, i just head to the Cloister immediately after beating Death. i don't know if it's really faster or not. i made a few mistakes too. i think under 30 minutes is possible.

i'm having trouble editing the wiki. it won't let me. what do i have to do for it to let me edit?

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